2011 Salsa Casseroll

The ever-popular Salsa Casseroll has been updated for 2011. New features include a taller headtube, a closer-to-horizontal top tube, a raked (as in curved) fork, cantilever brakes, an extra water bottle mount, and a painted-to-match front rando rack. This updated Casseroll looks to be a serious contender in the mid-priced, steel-framed, do-it-all category we oh-so-love.

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24 Responses to “2011 Salsa Casseroll”

  • JeffS says:

    I own a casseroll, and like the new color but I would never buy this bike. The headtube was already on the tall side, and canti brakes completely ruin the bike for me.

  • Dolan Halbrook says:

    The lack of cantis was one of the few things I disliked about the old Casseroll, and a tall headtube is always welcome in my book. Too bad they changed the color (that was my favorite thing about the old one).

  • Will says:

    Love it. It needs horizontal drop-outs and I think the bike could do anything. Surly Cross-Check watch out:)

  • David says:

    I like the rack and the general look of the bike, but not a fan of cantis at all. Long reach brakes are so much more versatile and user friendly IMHO. I see it as sitting somewhere between a Surly pacer and Cross Check. A very good mix. I wonder if long reach brakes would fit on the crown?

  • Brad says:

    Front rack, sure, but steering geometry to match? That would be cool. We’ll find out soon enough. Looks pretty and I can even get over the unicrown fork with that two tone paint job.

  • Karl says:

    I own an older Casseroll, and after a few years of riding a a few light tours I had decided to start looking for a new bike (Surly Cross Check, Soma Double Cross, etc) because I wanted canti brakes, wider tires, and a raked fork. But it seems that Salsa has fixed all that, and I will definitely be buying on of the new frame. I think it’s a great improvement.

  • JIm Ball says:

    With all of the debate or discussion over canti style brakes, or dual pivot, I prefer V brakes (linear pull) My experience has been they are twice more effective, at half the price. Since I still love mountain biking, with steep hills. V brakes stop even better than disc, when the rims stay dry! V brakes fit on all canti studs. Avid or Tektros, even the low end models are great. (cool stop pads ) Tektro makes nice Areo levers for the road bikes. Maybe you don’t like the looks, but for me the beauty is in the performance.
    jim

  • JeffS says:

    For me, integrated shifters are mandatory, making v-brakes a compromise because they’d require travel agents.

    They would be preferable to cantis if I were using bar ends or downtube shifters though.

    I can only assume that they feel they’ve exhausted the market for the previous model because this is now a bike targeted at a different group of buyers. It’s a more crowded market though. There were already plenty of canti-studded bikes on the market. Not nearly as many options for a caliper-equipped road bike with 28c capability.

  • jamesmallon says:

    Triple ring randonneuring bike: too right! The best bike for a commuter and light tour also. I like the aesthetics of long pull calipers, but cantis allow much easier clearance so they are the smarter choice for wide use. I’ll be interested in the gear inches, but you can do a lot more with three than two rings. Am hoping the fork trail is on the relaxed end. Not as happy about the integrated brifters I have to say: what was wrong with bar-ends?

  • Ben says:

    @Will: It has semi-horizontal dropouts. The Casseroll can be run single speed, with an IGH or a der. setup.

    For the canti haters: Cantis allow for fatter tires than the long-reach brakes on the previous models. The canti studs mean you can run v-brakes if you wanted.

    The 2011 Casseroll is obviously trying to appeal to the randonneur crowd. I like randonneur-style bikes (though I can’t see myself doing more than a double century in the foreseeable future), and this one is really giving me some bike lust. I especially like the matching front rack that’s included. I’d build it up from the frameset with some Nitto Noodle bars, 2×9 DT with a wide range for hills and mountains, barend shifters, 35mm tires, SON 20R dynamo hub in front, Phil White hub in the rear, Velocity Dyad rims, Swift Industries saddlebag, VO fenders, IQ Cyo front light, and other bits…

    I think I’ve found my next bike.

  • Alan says:

    @Ben

    “The 2011 Casseroll is obviously trying to appeal to the randonneur crowd.”

    I agree.

    “I’d build it up from the frameset with some Nitto Noodle bars, 2×9 DT with a wide range for hills and mountains, barend shifters, 35mm tires, SON 20R dynamo hub in front, Phil White hub in the rear, Velocity Dyad rims, Swift Industries saddlebag, VO fenders, IQ Cyo front light, and other bits…”

    That would be a very nice build – just about perfect… :-)

    Alan

  • Adam says:

    I’ve always wanted to want a Casseroll…but it missed a lot of things that the Bianchi Volpe got right. Now it looks like it’s caught up and is 10 times as beautiful…anyone want to buy a well-used 61cm Volpe? :)

    I don’t understand all the hate toward canti brakes. I’ve ridden many miles on both linear pulls and cantis. In my experience, cantis need absolutely no adjustment. The Tektro linear pulls that I had, on the other hand, need adjustment once a week to stay even. Also, linear pulls seem to induce more cable stretch…but maybe this was just a fluke on my bike.

    The only negative thing I can say about cantis is the whole fork chatter issue. A fork-mounted cable hanger fixes this problem for $10.

  • Daniel M says:

    I would like to add another comment in favor of V-brakes. (I believe linear-pull is the same thing.)

    When Tektro introduced V-brake interruptor levers, it finally allowed my dream drop-bar setup: a relatively high-mounted drop bar with V-brake compatible brake levers and interruptors, and shifters mounted on Paul Thumbies. For me it’s the perfect all-around setup. In traffic I can sit upright with full access to brakes and shifters. When I stretch out on to the hoods the shifters are easier to reach than bar-ends. When I’m in the drops I do have to reach up to shift but I can briefly grab the flat while doing so and there is always a way to brake.

    Last year I toured on my Volpe and the short-arm cantis did not cut it on long descents. My hands ached. I just got back from a month-long tour on my Hillborne with the aforementioned setup and what a difference. One-finger braking downhill at 30mph. Couple that with the simplicity and the ease of adjustment – the return spring is a straight bar! – and I simply can’t see the reason for cantis or discs.

    That said, if I had kept the Volpe, i would have converted to Tektro’s long-arm cantis rather than replacing the brifters and the canti-only interruptors. The Travel Agent seems to work by undoing the mechanical advantage that makes V-brakes so effective.

    I seem to be incapable of writing posts that are either concise or entirely on-topic.

  • Paulo Rafael says:

    bela bicicleta e belas fotos, valeu!

  • Daniel M says:

    Can I also add: Kudos to Salsa for the return of the curved fork. Those two new Civias shown earlier in the week hurt my eyes with their straight forks.

    I recall straight forks first showing up on MTBs in the late 80s / early 90s but not really catching on. I think the main motivation back then was that they are cheaper to make. As I have stated here before I feel that disc brakes have compromised rigid fork design and are responsible for the current popularity of straight forks. If a rigid fork is designed to flex (as it should be) then the torque imparted onto it by disc brakes is likely to make it flex in a very undesirable way. Any change in the design to compromise for disc brake torque (most often straight blades) inherently makes the fork less flexible, and therefore less shock absorbing.

    Since Civia, Salsa, and Surly appear to be owned by the same company, those otherwise-nice Civias deserve raked forks when not equipped with discs. I think discs have their place on front-suspension equipped bikes or on foul-weather bikes, but not so much otherwise.

    V-brakes are unappreciated. (See earlier post.)

  • dan says:

    I am really loving the new casseroll design. If I had room for another bike, this would be it (or maybe one of those incoming Rawlands. Hey Alan, have you been watching the collaborative design process going on over at rawlandcycles.blogspot.com? Really a wonderful thing). I have to throw in my opinion in favor of cantis. I love the Ultegra dual-pivots on my go-fast bike, but for versatility cantis really can’t be beat. My commuter has a set of early 90s XTs (Kool Stop pads of course!) mated to vintage Ritchey levers. Great stopping power and the best modulation of any brake setup I’ve ever used. If you set ‘em up right, cantis can stop just about as well as V-brakes. Lots of great stuff coming from interbike this year!

  • Doug says:

    I have Paul canti’s on two bicycles. I’m going to add them to a third. If you don’t like canti’s, you haven’t tried any made by Paul Components.

  • Mark says:

    I wish they had put cantilever brakes on it from the start. I own a 2009 singlespeed model, and although I absolutely love it, the people at the shop where I bought it had to cut away sections of the fenders to get them to fit with the brakes. Other than that, it’s a wonderful bike, and I would absolutely recommend it for light- to medium-duty utility jobs, and overnight trips.

  • Charlie says:

    Nice fork. But Surly LHT still wins hands down for smaller sizes, because it uses 26″ wheels rather than compromising the geometry.

  • Cafn8 says:

    I wonder if the reputation of center-pull cantilever brakes is spoiled by poor setups. In my experience, they can perform quite well or quite poorly, depending on the setup. Direct-pulls are hard to mess up, but if center-pulls are set up incorrectly you can end up with brakes which are either very weak with lots of travel, or very strong, but without much tolerance to out of true wheels. Years ago, as an under-employed mountain biker, I taught myself to work on cantis, and there was much cursing, and many headaches until I finally understood how the angles of the cables affected performance. Discovering Kool-stop reds helped too.

  • Charlie says:

    Also, one of reasons that V-brakes are easier to set up is the pad mounting system. On stud-mount pads used on old cantis, you loosen it and it flops in every direction at once. Some new cantis, such as avid shorties, use the same pad mounting system as V-brakes and are much easier to set up.

  • Randy says:

    Any ideas on the price for the 2011 model? Not sure what last year’s model went for. Thanks.

  • jp says:

    price: $1,200 complete

    if you had to spend a bit less money, which randonnering bike?

    and if you could spend a bit more, which randonnering bike then?

    thanks.

  • Jay (Epstein) in Tel Aviv says:

    This would be my next bike if it could take a wide range cassette. I think I’d have to change out the rear D and the shifters to put an 11-34 on there.

 
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