Civia Aldrich and Dupont

I took these photos to illustrate the difference between the Civia Aldrich and Civia Dupont handlebars. The Aldrich is the flat bar in silver with a 50 degree sweep and zero rise, the Dupont is the North Road type bar in black with a 65 degree sweep and 60 degree rise. In the first and second photos, the bars are lined up vertically (but not horizontally) to show the difference in rise. In the third photo, the bars are lined up horizontally (but not vertically) to show the difference in width, reach, and sweep. For reference, the Duponts are quite similar to Nitto North Roads, but with slightly less sweep.

As much as these two bars are different, I find both to be quite comfortable. I think the amount of sweep is the main contributing factor. On some bikes, straight bars may be appropriate for the added control they provide, but 50+ degrees of sweep places the hands in a more ergonomically correct position that works well for general city riding, regardless of reach or rise.

For now, I’m really enjoying the 50 degree Aldrich. I have a set of Nitto Promenades waiting in the wings, but I’m liking this set-up too much to make the switch just yet.

20 Responses to “Civia Aldrich and Dupont”

  • jdmitch says:

    Dupont looks a bit like my soma sparrows… I’m sure there are some differences (haven’t looked up the specs), but look really similar.

  • Seth Vidal says:

    This is where I make the claim that threaded headsets with stems with poptops are the way forward. That way you can easily move your bars up and down w/o redoing your whole headset preload AND you can pop the bars on and off easily to change your stem reach.

    The above demonstrates that very well. If you wanted to get either set of bars into the same place as the other being able to trivially swap the stem (for reach) or raise/lower the stem (for height and reach) would make a huge difference.

  • GTPowers says:

    …until you want to change the height of the bars.

    I’ll stick with my quil.

  • Lovely Bicycle! says:

    These are nice, though I prefer more sweep. Looking forward to the Nitto Promenades!

  • Phil Barns says:

    Those Duponts look very similar to the bars on my Mundo- I can attest to the comfort, and to the convenience of having an adjustable stem.

  • BikeBike says:

    We have been stocking Civia bars since we opened and we love them. They are a great bar option for converting bikes to a more comfortable riding position – and also add a certain style that is timeless!

    Love ‘em!

  • Pete says:

    @GTPowers:
    I think what Seth was saying is a quill stem with threaded headset is the way to go.That way, the headset adjustment is independent of whatever you want to do with the stem. Not sure what a “poptop” is, but if it’s a 2-bolt bar clamp that lets to swap bars without having to snake them through a 1-bolt pinch-type stem that’s even better.
    The thing that constantly trips me up is the cable lengths. I always seem to have to make longer cables whenever a try a new bar!

  • Alan says:

    @Seth

    I too like quill stems, and when combined with a removable face plate, they offer the most adjustability and ease of use to the end user. That said, I don’t think we’ll be seeing many manufacturers going back to quill stems anytime soon. The fact that forks for threadless headsets can be stocked in one size and cut to any length without needing to thread the steerer is a major advantage in regards to manufacturing and inventory.

    Alan

  • Seth Vidal says:

    @Alan,
    I understand, but it is a bit sad that what is good for the manufacturer is ultimately worse for the customer.

    Seems like it should be the other way around.

  • Alan says:

    @Seth

    I totally agree with you.

    Not that I prefer threadless, but they do have a few advantages over threaded headsets/quills:

    –Threadless headsets can be adjusted with small multi-tools, an advantage for tourists and randonneurs who may occasionally need to make on-road headset adjustments. Threaded headsets require special tools that wouldn’t normally be carried on the bike.

    –Threadless headsets/stems are typically stiffer than threaded headsets/quill stems.

    –Threadless headsets/stems are typically lighter than threaded headsets/quill stems.

    –Threadless headsets/stems are more water-resistant than threaded headsets/quill stems.

    All that said, I still think it’s mostly about inventory and manufacturing….

    Regards,
    Alan

  • Melanie says:

    What about the bars with the 80 degree sweep, like those that come stock on the Loring? Are they still available? I found them quite comfortable.

  • Scott says:

    Here’s the Civia bar line-up in a nutshell

    Aldrich bars: 0mm of rise. Available now in 25, 50 and (coming soon), 70 degrees of sweep. 25.4 clamp diameter.
    Colfax bars: 10mm of rise. Available now in 25 and 50 degrees of sweep. 25.4 clamp.
    Dupont bars: 60mm of rise. Availalbe now in 65 degrees of sweep. 25.4 clamp.
    Loring bars: 70mm of rise. Available now in 80 degrees of sweep. 25.4 and 31.8 clamp.

    All bars are available in black and silver in all sweeps and clamp diameters.

  • doug in seattle. says:

    I love my Nitto Promenades. I have the variety with a bit of rise. I like how they are narrower than the North Road / Albatross variety of swept-back bars. They feel sportier for me while retaining their comfortable attributes.

    BTW, I wonder — how often does everyone change their handlebar heights? Once I get a bike / handlebar combo dialed in, I never have. When I change my handlebars, the quill system’s inconvenience more than makes up for the ability to change the height by a few centimeters in either direction afterward.

    I like quills because they look more elegant. That’s enough for me, I guess.

  • Alan says:

    @Doug

    I’m curious about your Promenades. Mine have a narrow 25.4 raised area at the clamp. In fact, it’s narrow enough that it doesn’t fully fill the Kalloy stem with its 4-bolt clamp. What stem are you using? Also, the grip area is exceedingly short – around 12mm, which rules out the use of standard length grips. I love the look and feel of these bars, but these limitations were a bit of a disappointment.

    Thanks,
    Alan

  • Steve says:

    Right now I’m riding with Nitto randonneurs which are nice, but I am looking for a more relaxed position. Would either of these bars be good for 20 – 30 mile rides?

  • Alan says:

    @Steve

    It’s hard to day. Some people can ride all day on bars with only one hand position, while others need to switch positions frequently to avoid pain and numbness. I’d say that if you can ride 20-30 miles with your hands in the same position on your drop bars, then either of these would work fine. If, on the other hand, you find yourself switching to the various hand positions on your current bars every few miles, the single hand position offered by these bars might bother you.

  • Charlie says:

    I’m on the quill/threaded side of the quill/threaded vs. clamp/threadless debate. A couple of points about that:
    1) It’s kind of odd to balk at stocking several forks, and instead stock many styles of handlebars. I guess the customer pays for the latter whereas the mfr. pays for the former. Capitalism is the worst economic system there is except for all the others!
    2) With the right ID steel steerer, it is possible to use a quill stem in a threadless fork. You just need some kind of clamp to replace the threadless stem function in holding the bearing together. I have two bikes set up this way–maybe I should send in pictures.

  • Casey says:

    This discussion on handlebars has been so helpful, I keep referring back to it like a Sheldon Brown article! Maybe someone can help me, however, figure out which handlebars accept bar-end shifters. Is it only the Rivendell/Nitto Albatross? I really like the Civia Loring handlebar–does it accept bar-end shifters too? Others I’m not aware of? If the Loring won’t take bar-ends, are folks pretty happy with thumb shifters?

    Thanks!

  • Alan says:

    @Casey

    The Rivendell site has details about which of their bars accept bar-ends.

    The cromo Nitto North Roads accept bar-ends, the alloy do not.

    None of the Civia bars accept bar-ends.

    As a general rule, if a handlebar accept bar-ends, it’s noted in the product description, otherwise you can probably assume they don’t.

    Regards,
    Alan

  • kanishka azimi (new england!) says:

    i tried all of the upright and medium sweep bars i could think at a store that had them all in stock! the 50 degree sweep aldrich, seemed to be the sweep spot. the soma sparrow and very similar surly open bar were very close runner’s up. i also kind of liked the on-one mary (seemed like potential for more hand positions)

    i’ll rode i believe the lorings for the last 9 months. liked them, but wanted something with a little less bend.

    i might revisit this in a year and consider where i want any sweep with my 50 degree bend

 
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