Civia Design

Burton Avery, the industrial designer at Civia, posted the first in a series of articles about the design process behind their belt drive Bryant. From the blog post:

I’m the industrial designer here at Civia. I collaborate with a team of people, such as engineers and a brand manager, on Civia’s products. I am responsible for what industrial designers call form, or the way our products look in terms of shape.

In the next few blog posts I’ll be delving in to the design process for the Civia Bryant. By explaining design features in detail, hopefully you’ll get the idea that the Civia Bryant is more than just the sum of it’s parts. The Bryant’s modular dropout allows for a range of different drivetrain solutions.

Interesting!

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20 Responses to “Civia Design”

  • Fergie348 says:

    Thanks for the link Alan! I’ve been looking for some dropout detail on the Bryant for awhile – there’s a lot going on there.. Besides the split right dropout to accomodate the belt, there are considerations for the disk brake mount on the left side and the fender and rack mounts on both sides. It’s a pretty slick design all things considered. Notice how the fender stays are mounted on the inside of the dropout in the pictures of the Bryant Belt on the Civia blog. Also note the use of a Surly tuggnut to keep the drive side tight..

    Once we have actual production Alfine 11 speed hubs, this will be my next commuter bike.

  • Paul says:

    I own a production Civia Bryant. While it does have a functional tuggnut, it is not the sexy Surly bottle opener.

  • Mark says:

    +1 Paul – same on my Bryant.

    Word has it that we bryant belt owners are in a very small club right now, one guy on BF claims only 14 were made in the first run. Not that surprising that two of them are Eco-velo readers.

  • Fergie348 says:

    I want to join that club! With an 11 spd hub, of course..

  • John says:

    Fergie348, I’m right there with you. I’m holding out on buying my next ride until I can configure a Bryant with belt and Alfine 11.

  • Fergie348 says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice if Civia would equip the Bryant belt Alfine with a dyno front hub as well. You know you’re gonna want to ride this thing in the dark..

    Oh, and to save me the trouble, could you equip my Civia with a keyed locking system: http://www.pinheadcomponents.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=56

    Just kidding – I know they’d never do that..

  • Paul says:

    Actually, Civia furnished my Bryant with an Alfine dyno from the factory. If I recall correctly, it was about a $50 premium. I would have preferred that they offer a Schmidt dyno from the factory, but I couldn’t get them to talk to Peter White Cycles. So I’ll run with the Alfine until it fails and upgrade at that time.

    I’ve been riding to work for a month without incident thinking about what light to purchase and how to mount it. Yesterday, I about get run over in the pre-dawn hours by the newspaper delivery man. As you can probably guess, the first thing I did when I arrived at work is order a light and mount: the Schmidt Edelux and Lumotec V mount B&M471LH.

    I guess the next thing I’ll buy is a wired cycle computer. As it is, the Nashbar Tempo goes to 125 km/hr around any electronics and I’ve been led to believe that dynos frequently interfere with wireless cycle computers.

  • Scott says:

    You guys are a funny bunch. Everyone’s clamoring for Alfine 11 :)

    Regarding that, Shimano is not supporting drop bars with an 11 speed shifter, so until someone comes out with a drop bar shifter for it, there won’t be a Bryant as you know it with Alfine 11.

    That said, we have just received our functional production sample of Alfine 11. It’s cool. I’ll leave it at that.

  • Scott says:

    Regarding Bryant production numbers, the first Bryant Alfine batch was more than the 14 suggested in an earlier post. All were pre-sold to dealers and many were pre-sold there to customers.

    Limited availability, yes, but not quite as exclusive as 14.

    We’ve got another batch of Bryants coming in around the end of September. As of now, there will be general availability for our stocking dealers. That could change based on pre-sales.

  • Alan says:

    Scott,

    I just wanted to say “thanks” for taking the time to drop by and keep us in the loop. I’m sure I speak for all of my readers when I say it’s a real treat to hear directly from the source.

    Best regards,
    Alan

  • Scott says:

    My pleasure, Alan.

    I’m generally spread pretty thin, but your blog is one of the few I make time to read. On top of having a full work load, my wife delivered twins 5 months ago, so home life is significantly different than it used to be :)

  • Alan says:

    Twins! I should say you’re spread pretty thin… LOL. And yeah, I can imagine that a few things have changed around the household. We’re on the other end of the spectrum with three teenagers (15, 17, 19, all good kids). Congrats and all the best with your little ones!

    Alan

  • Fergie says:

    Thanks for the info, Scott. Good luck with the twins – hope at 5 months they’re sleeping through the night..

    As far as I can tell, Shimano didn’t offer any drop bar support for the Alfine 8, so it’s not surprising that they’re not considering doing so for the 11. I’ve got my hopes pinned on Dynamic eventually offering a VRS-11 or J-tek making a barcon 11 speed shifter. I don’t expect either to happen this year, as the Alfine 11 release is scheduled for September but I won’t need a new commuter for another year or so. By mid 2011 I expect to see a few drop bar compatible shifting options available for the Alfine 11, although so few production frames that accomodate belt drive are being made that I’ll probably have to wait until 2012 to get my hands on one. The waiting is the hardest part..

    It looks like Spot is making a pretty sweet 8 speed belt drive bike, albeit at quite a price premium to the Bryant: http://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/sprawl/

  • David says:

    Scott,
    Congratulations on the twins! Regarding the Alfine 11, I’ll gladly use straight bars if that’s what it takes to make it work. An 11 speed belted Bryant with dyno hub is well on its way to being my perfect commuter and I can’t wait to see what you guys come up with.

  • Paul says:

    Well, the light I ordered hasn’t worked out so well (yet). To protect the precious ($200 Edelux) light, I want to mount it on the crown fork, but I can’t find a suitiable mount for this bike. Any suggestions?

  • Fergie348 says:

    Paul, the Bryant fork crown is drilled for a fender and/or light mount is it not? Why won’t a standard mount work?

    http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/light-mounts.asp

  • Pete says:

    I thought the Bryant was also drilled for side-pull brakes (the Tiagra version has them) unless they make 2 versions of the frame. If so, you can certainly rig a mounting set-up there.
    As for the Alfine 11, Scott – just put an Albatross bar on there and you’re good to go.

  • Paul says:

    Rig? On a high-end, self-professed transportation bike? IMHO, a light mount for such a bike should be integrated, a factory option, or ready for a standard aftermarket part, but not rigged. Peter White suggests a B&M471LH, but its mounting surface is curved and seems more suitable for the vertical part of a fork than the flat one on the crown of the Bryant.

  • Pete says:

    Not an expert (I don’t own a Bryant) but there is clearly a hole in the fork crown (visible on this page: http://civiacycles.com/bikes/bryant/bryant_belt_alfine/#build) onto which, it appears, you could bolt several of the mounts shown on the Peter White web page referenced above. Again, I don’t own any of those mounts, but it hardly seems that the Bryant is totally unaccomodating. I wasn’t implying ‘rigging” in any pejorative sense.

  • Paul says:

    The Bryant isn’t totally unaccomodating. It could be rigged. In hindsight, I should have selected a lighter light, but I trusted Peter White. B&M offers a 471AR mount that, like the 471LH, has a curved mouning surface. However, the 471AR’s appears to have a much longer radius. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to find the mount for sale in the U.S. Therefore, I’ll likely buy it from SJS Cycles in the U.K.

 
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