Kickstand Nirvana

Well, I’ve finally reached kickstand nirvana; for the first time ever, every bike in my stable (other than the folder) is outfitted with a double-legged centerstand. To top it off, 2 out of 3 actually have integrated kickstand plates. Today I received my third Pletscher Double from ThorUSA. This one replaces the Pletscher single that was on my Sam Hillborne.

As you can see, it’s a perfect fit on the Rivendell factory-supplied, integrated plate (many kudos to Rivendell for attending to this small, but important detail that’s overlooked on too many bikes).

The only black spot on all of this is my one bike that isn’t supplied with an integrated kickstand plate (I still haven’t figured out why Surly doesn’t supply a plate on the LHT). If you’re planning on mounting a Pletscher on a bike that doesn’t have an integrated plate, be sure to order a Deluxe Top Plate (below) to replace the stock tube crusher.

43 Responses to “Kickstand Nirvana”

  • Billi says:

    I’m sort of embarrassed about this, but I sanded and then polished the greenfield kickstand I put on my Retro Raliegh. I didn’t care for the factory finish, too glossy, but not very smooth. I get carried away sometimes. May have to go with the double since this bike is about to become the grocery getter.

  • j. pierce says:

    Oooh – thanks for the heads up on the chainstay-saving kickstand protector!

    Has anyone used the VO Porteur kickstand? I was thinking of getting one of those (if they’re ever back in stock) as I liked the look a little more than the Pletscher; but I haven’t seen a real review.

  • Adrienne says:

    The kickstand plate on my Bat actually ripped off my bike! I was so disappointed : ( I still have my massive, heavy duty center stand, but it has a top plate. It wouldn’t be bad except my serial # was engraved on the plate.

  • Lovely Bicycle! says:

    To be honest, neither my husband nor I are entirely happy with these kickstands. His broke last winter after less than a year of ownership. Mine is okay, but I prefer the Hebie twin-legged kickstand that I’ve tried on some other bikes.

  • Mark says:

    Now I’m thinking I should have go a kickstand plate attached to my frame I just had build —-hmmmmm too late.

  • townmouse says:

    The one thing I dislike about my bike is the lack of a kickstand. The guys who built it up for me seemed to consider it unnecessary, I’ve no idea why. Is it a guy thing? Sometimes I manage the cool one-pedal-against-the-curb lean, but mostly I’m left looking for something to lean the bike on, and now I’ve got one pannier bag, too many times I end up just watching bike toppling and crashing to the ground. Off to investigate kick plates.

  • Alan says:

    @Adrienne

    “The kickstand plate on my Bat actually ripped off my bike!”

    Wow, bummer! It seems like that might be a warranty issue??

    Alan

  • Alan says:

    @LB!

    Sorry to hear about your husband’s Pletscher snapping. I’ve never had a problem, but they do have a relatively low stated weight limit (IRRC it’s 55 lbs.). I suppose it’s a trade-off between physical weight and strength…

    Alan

  • Bryan says:

    @townmouse

    See http://www.click-stand.com for a solution. Much nicer than any kick stand for a loaded bike.

    Bryan

  • Thorsten H. says:

    The reason why this plate may not be included it is a great place for collection all kind of dirt, wet, salt(?) in the winter and so the start of corission in places where it is simply not necessary.

    So e.g. at Patria you can order a plate, if you’ll need it and otherwise the place is much cleaner.

  • Erkki says:

    Kickstands rule in city and trekking bikes. I’m used to single sided and most important is right length in those. One the coolest (IMO) is the Pletschers Comp Zoom, rear mounted adjustable kickstand. Well, you have to have place in the frame or you’ll have to buy Multi Zoom which I suppose can be installed to almost all frames.

    For example in this Stevens bike, nice. From derailleur side it looks like exhaust pipe >8D

    http://www.stevensbikes.de/2010/index.php?bik_id=124&sect=equipment&lang=en_US

  • Ken Sturrock says:

    I too am not entirely happy with the Pletschers. I found the two leg model provides a much narrower “foot print” than a good single leg stand and I have to screw around a lot trying to find the perfect place to leave the bike where the ground is perfectly level and it won’t tip over. I’ve also found it tips over very easy while loading and unloading my panniers. It looks cool but after over a year of constant use, I’m less impressed.

  • Alan says:

    @Ken

    I’m curious what type of single leg stand you’re using? I’ve yet to find a single leg stand that works well with a fully loaded bike (assuming a front cargo rack and a pair of large rear panniers, perhaps 50-60# total).

    Thanks,
    Alan

  • Jim T says:

    Using the Pletcher double on my Bombadil for touring. Been solid so far; my only comment would be that you should put an anti-slip (corrugated) washer on there when you mount it. Otherwise mine comes loose every 3 days or so, and needs constant tightening.

  • peteathome says:

    Great heads up on the deluxe top plate. I’ve been lusting for a double leg stand. Not only do they stabilize the bike better, you can adjust them so they lift the rear wheel up a half inch or so off the ground when you use it. That makes a great truing stand or when you need to rotate the chank when lubing the chain.

    In the past, instead of a kickstand I had a great little device that worked really well on stabilizing a fully loaded bike, as long as I had something to lean the bike against. It was a small U-shape stiff wire that mounted on the downtube. It would click down onto the front wheel, locking it in place so that the front couldn’t turn. It had a small plastic thing on the far end shaped like the tire that would lock into the tire. This would turn the bike into a rigid board that made it quit stable. Forget what it was called but it weighted maybe 15 grams, was inexpensive, and mine lasted for maybe a decade before it broke.

    Anybody remember these and what they were called? They were quite popular for all the “10 speeds” that came without kickstands in the 70s.

  • peteathome says:

    Ah – I was just told it was called a “flickstand”. Here’s a picture of one type:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/mearse/2511812063/

    They work surprisingly well. I used one touring. Not sure if this would work on a longbike with 100 pounds on it, but it worked well when I had 2 rear panniers with about 40 lbs in them.

  • bongobike says:

    Jim T,

    Put some beeswax or Loctite on the threads.

  • Thor says:

    Hi….. you guys … sold out of double stand shoes…. new ones are on the way , so keep on ordering them if you dont mind 2 weeks wait time getting them from switzerland.

    A couple comments to the double kickstands …
    it now has a max 25 kg or roughly 55 lbs sticker on it… after Pletscher put that sticker on it many many less people sat on the bike and broke the legs off ….

    We do have a leg breaking rarely …very rarely … if it actually happens you can send them in and we replace it with a new one …. those buggers arnt cheap and we like to keep our customers happy. Just keep folks away from relaxing ( sitting ) on the carrier with the front wheel in the air ….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXdzrd6Ct1U

    bad bad …lol

    Thor

  • Ken Sturrock says:

    Alan:

    Unfortunately, I don’t have any single legged kickstands that work brilliantly with heavy panniers either. However, the single legged kickstand on my wife’s breezer does OK (not great) with panniers.

    The Pletscher is just kind of wobbly in every direction and I think it’s because it has a narrow “ground area” that it covers since both feet are very close to each other as well as the rear (or front – if that’s what’s loaded) wheel. It may just be me, but I seem to screw around an awful lot trying to find a place to park it where it won’t tip over. I also kind of prefer the single legged stand because I can just lean the bicycle away from me, kick the stand down, and then lean the bicycle on the kickstand. With the Pletscher I have to pick the bicycle up and then kick the stand down – not a big deal but it is a bit of an extra grunt…

    Despite my gripe, I think I’ll keep the Pletscher but I am attracted to those sturdy “motorcycle” looking center stands others have mentioned.

    ALl the best,

    -Ken

  • CedarWood says:

    The double kickstand on the Torker Cargo-T is pretty stable and available seperately aftermarket for less than the Plestcher.

    Since the Torker’s dry weighs 45 lbs. unloaded, you aren’t expected to pick up the bike when deploying the stand. Instead you push the stand down with your foot while pushing the bike backwards onto the stand. Works great.

    Of course, there are probably even sturdier stands out there, but they cost more.

  • Alan says:

    If the Pletscher and Hebie aren’t tough enough for you, here’s the ultimate:

    http://www.rollingjackass.com/rolling-jackass-centerstand.html

    http://tinyurl.com/87a9qs

    Only $350… :-)

  • dynaryder says:

    I’ve tried both this and the Hebie. The Hebie died after about 8-9 months,this one made it a year and a half. The problem is road salt in the winter trashed the springs and caused the stands to fail. Additionally,I had to be careful when loading panniers or the bike would tip over. These were really nice for airing tires,lubing the chain,and doing some regular maintenance,but given the short life span and wobbly loading,I’ll save my money and just prop the bike against something.

    Anyone know of a company making those old-fashoned motorcycle-style centerstands? The U shaped ones that flipped up around the back wheel? I’d love to have one of those on my bike.

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  • Trent says:

    Thanks for the tip on the Deluxe top plate – I just ordered two for our Karate Monkeys! My wife’s is setup with a Pletscher single kickstand, and I am going to use the other top plate for my Karate Monkey Xtracycle.

    The Xtracycle Free Radical kit comes with one plate (or at least it did when I bought it three years ago). So, at the time, I bought another plate to sandwich the chain stays and hold the Xtracycle tongue in place. However, the top attachment plate slips around on the chainstays (and digs into the steel), so I am hoping this will solve that problem.

    That’s my story.
    Trent

  • Matt says:

    I’ve had Pletscher/ESGE twin-legged kickstands on my bikes for years, including my winter bike which gets thoroughly doused in the salty slush and snow of a Minnesota winter. That kickstand is over 10 years old and has only required a bit of grease up in the works. I originally got it to make hooking up the Adams Trail-a-Bike much easier (mating a square peg and hole was harder with bike leaning on something) and that kid just graduated from high school.

    They don’t work well with asymmetrical heavy panniers–a case of beer on one side, or an Ortlieb full of 17 bottled waters and a whole bag of ice will pull the bike over–but for most use they’re great. They’re especially great for frequent stopping, as when taking photographs or running race volunteers you’re out visiting. I highly recommend them.

    I will be ordering 3 of the premium top plates to replace my current chainstay crushers. Most worried about my Rivendell Atlantis, old enough not to have the kickstand plate back when Grant hadn’t got the kickstand religion yet.

  • Sean S. says:

    Hi Alan,
    I am getting my Surly LHT retrofitted with S&S couplers and have asked them to install a kickstand plate so that I can use my Pletscher double-leg kickstand. Where did you get that hex bolt used to install it on the bike?

  • Alan says:

    @Sean

    Hi Sean,

    You should be able to pick up an appropriate bolt at any well-stocked hardware store. If you can’t find it local, you can get one through ThorUSA where they sell the Deluxe Top Plate:

    http://www.thorusa.com/

    Alan

  • Ryan says:

    Have the same setup as your Surly. Curious how tight you made your bolt. Surly scared me with their post on kickstands so I left it fairly loose for now, but it seems too loose to me. I can still wiggle it a bit.

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  • Teddy says:

    Alan,
    I actually had a couple questions with installing this on the surly LHT.
    I have the deluxe top plate ordered, as well as the pletscher double kickstand.
    How do you get this kickstand installed on the bike without the screw becoming loose every other day or so? I have wrapped the seat stays with old tubes, and installed it with the top plate, however, I’m afraid that i will tighten down too much causing damage to the frame. Do you have any suggestions for safely installing this kickstand?

  • Alan says:

    @Teddy

    “…I’m afraid that i will tighten down too much causing damage to the frame”

    This is the problem. Surly says it’s fine to use a clamp-on kickstand as long as you don’t “overtighten” it. The problem, of course, is that they don’t provide any torque specs, so there’s no way to know if you’ve overtightened the stand until you’ve crushed the frame. I eventually tired of the stand constantly coming loose, so I just continued to tighten it a little bit every day until it quit moving. The bike is essentially useless to me without a centerstand (I use it for hauling cargo and need a centerstand for the front rack), so it was worth the risk of damaging the frame to have a secure centerstand. I haven’t taken off the stand since clamping it down tightly, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the stays are dinged a little. If you’re concerned about it, perhaps a Click-stand would be a better option:

    http://www.ecovelo.info/2008/11/24/click-stand/

    Sorry I don’t have a better answer for you. I’m as frustrated as you are about the fact that Surly doesn’t put a kickstand plate on this bike. As I’ve said elsewhere, this will be the last utility bike I purchase that isn’t equipped with a kickstand plate.

    Regards,
    Alan

  • Ted says:

    I love my Pletscher and see it as a wonderful upgrade: simple to cut and easy to use.
    Not to be rude here, but I have never had to go looking for a place for my bike not to fall over. Just rotate the bike ( like a compass) until its nicely balanced. It takes one second, but I usually have it turned that way unconciously before I get off. It becomes second-nature. I point my front tire uphill and get off. If I were to be loading my bike in such an uneven manner as to make it fall over, I wouldn’t blame it on the stand. You know what Forrest Gump says, Right? :-)

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  • jonathan says:

    Has anyone used one of these on a bike towing a kiddie trailer? I’m just wondering if things may go a bit awry kicking the stand down with something hanging off the dropouts.

  • Daniel says:

    Hi. What a beautiful pics. Could you tell me what camera you used to take them??.

    daramigo@gmail.com

    Daniel.

  • Alan says:

    @Daniel

    Those were captured with a Canon 50D. I’m pretty sure the lens was a Canon EF 85mm f/1.8.

    Thanks!
    Alan

  • Daniel says:

    @Daniel

    Those were captured with a Canon 50D. I’m pretty sure the lens was a Canon EF 85mm f/1.8.

    Thanks!
    Alan

    ——————-

    Thank you very much Alan. You have given me an excellent reference to considere in my next camera purchase.

    My best regards.

    Daniel.

  • Alan says:

    @Daniel

    The 50D is a couple of years old and has recently been replaced by the 7D. There’s a new 60D which you’d assume is the upgrade to the 50D, but it’s not. Canon is revamping their line-up and the 60D is a step down from the 50D (in my opinion). The current upgrade path from the 50D is to the 7D. In other words, if I was purchasing a current, equivalent replacement camera for my 50D, it would be the 7D, not the 60D.

    I hope that’s a little more clear than mud… :-)

    Regards,
    Alan

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    I just installed it today, so don’t know if the split washer will keep the bold from loosening. I couldn’t find my Loctite…

    –Bill

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  • Mark says:

    I am thinking about buying this kickstand for my bike which has not kickstand plate on the frame.
    Anyone have any reports on this kickstand

    http://www.crowcycleco.com/bicycle-components/kickstand/double-leg-kickstand-570-004.html

  • Pete says:

    Well, since this thread is still alive…
    I just received a Hebie retrofit kickstand “plate” from SJS in the UK:

    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hebie-retrofit-stand-plate-699-40-prod20295/?src=froogleus

    At $21 with shipping it isn’t cheap, but I’m hoping it will save the chainstays on my new LHT. It is plastic, not steel, and attaches to the chainstay bridge, so you need to have a bridge.

 
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